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p00g0blin · February 22nd, 2003, 09:35 AM

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/Safe...ID=11835&c=206

everyone should read this mess. basically some government officials are trying to END that thing we call privacy. giving the government so much unchecked power that it is honestly scary. i know its a long article...but it wont take you long to realize how bad this is. they will try to push this through during the war...if that materializes...and it is historically easy to push acts through during war times. just like the first Patriot Act was. if you cant be bothered to read this...then i feel sorry for you. this also does NOT only affect America....cuz our dictator (Bush) WILL go after the rest of the world if he gets the chance. world domination? yes..that is his goal. READ!

p00g0blin · February 22nd, 2003, 09:38 AM

"Stripping even native-born Americans of all of the rights of United States citizenship if they provide support to unpopular organizations labeled as terrorist by our government, even if they support only the lawful activities of such organizations, allowing them to be indefinitely imprisoned in their own country as undocumented aliens. (Section 501) "

thats a sample from the article. yay for the land of the free...the stripping of american citizenship...not from immigrants...from people BORN IN AMERICA!

PastorsGirl · February 22nd, 2003, 10:58 AM

Crap, thats insane.....! This just confuses me and scares me even more!!!!

Arker · February 22nd, 2003, 11:15 AM

holy ####
i read it all, and damn. that's effed up.

SoCalDirtRider · February 22nd, 2003, 11:16 AM

wow jeff...
I was sitting here at work reading that and my boss came by and read it as well..and we both just took a deep breath and wondered what the heck is going on.

This article and these actions that they are trying to do..violate some of the most basic rights in the bill of rights as a citizen. This is very concering. I think everyone should read this and understand what it means..it also states that all this secret and confidential information about you, could be access, without court order or even affiliation with a terrorist group.

Here are a couple more of the "amendments" that would be made by this..
-Giving the government secret access to credit reports without consent and without judicial process. (Section 126)
-Enhancing the government’s ability to obtain sensitive information without prior judicial approval by creating administrative subpoenas and providing new penalties for failure to comply with written demands for records. (Sections 128 and 129)
-Allowing for the sampling and cataloguing of innocent Americans’ genetic information without court order and without consent. (Sections 301-306)
-Permitting, without any connection to anti-terrorism efforts, sensitive personal information about U.S. citizens to be shared with local and state law enforcement. (Section 311)

Moto-X Alex · February 22nd, 2003, 01:21 PM

I don't know if you guys ever studied McCarthyism in school, but the Patriot Act makes that seem like kindergarden play. When the Patriot Act went into effect, I realized what a horribly insane man Bush is. This slipped through with so little fanfare, and was so confusing that people just didn't get it. We should all be marching in the streets against this insanity. As a matter of fact, I think I am now considered a terrorist for even writing this.

Clinton may have been a hustler, but our national debt and the economy was better than it had been in decades and he never tried to pull any of this rhetoric "hocus pocus". If Clinton was impeached for his indescretion with a girl and the media, Bush should be locked in jail for what he is doing to all of us, and our "freedom".

drew · February 22nd, 2003, 01:44 PM

Thats taking it all a bit fair.

If that gets passed then the US government can pretty much do what it wants - to its own people

You guys would lose pretty much all of your privacy.

I agree that governments need to do something to fight the sources of terrorism, but thats going too far.

Thats crazy!!

big brother will be watching

Moto-X Alex · February 22nd, 2003, 01:54 PM

http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveilla..._analysis.html

drew · February 22nd, 2003, 02:00 PM

Be careful what you put in that Google search.

The government may now spy on web surfing of innocent Americans, including terms entered into search engines, by merely telling a judge anywhere in the U.S. that the spying could lead to information that is "relevant" to an ongoing criminal investigation. The person spied on does not have to be the target of the investigation. This application must be granted and the government is not obligated to report to the court or tell the person spied upon what it has done.

RedRider19 · February 22nd, 2003, 03:35 PM

Ack, this is all creepy. If anyone in Canada or Australia is willing to let me live with them, PM me

.

OK anyway...speaking of all this spying mumbo jumbo, here's a good article (yes, its from a video game website, but its still good) about Echelon. I had a better one, but lost it. oh well, check it out.

http://planetdeusex.com/features/articles/echelon/

EDIT: found it...here ya go

http://fly.hiwaay.net/~pspoole/echelon.html

Arker · February 22nd, 2003, 04:13 PM

for you non-techies that have heard the name Carnivore and dont know what it is, here is a article about it written back in 2000

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,37503,00.html
The FBI project codenamed: CARNIVORE
has been the target of many hacker attacks and was at one point during it's development setback do to such an attack

There is a newer fbi project in the process of completion codenamed: MAGIC LANTERN
http://www.msnbc.com/news/660096.asp?0na=x21017M32

how safe do you feel now.....

durrty · February 22nd, 2003, 04:26 PM

i do work for computer and internet companys and your so called privacy is not as private as you think!! i dont like it anymore than you or the rest of the world but there really is nothing you can do everytime you use a credit card you get tracked every time you do anything electronically its logged somewere and if someone tries hard enough they can get most of that info BUT unless some one IS on the look out for you it would be really time consuming for somebody to filter all of one persons info out

WW3

drew · February 22nd, 2003, 04:30 PM

But the point is.

The authorities should need a GOOD reason to look at that information. Before they needed to convince a judge that they suspect you of illigal activities and said informationcould prove you did it.

Now it seems they only need suspesion. Not credable proof.

AusFMX · February 22nd, 2003, 05:32 PM

look a kangaroo!....

durrty · February 22nd, 2003, 06:03 PM

it is easier than you think to get that info for 50 bucks you can get more than you need about some one do a people search on yahoo and click on one of the banners selling background search services youl crap your pants if youve never seen that

February 22nd, 2003, 09:35 AM	#1
p00g0blin Know-it-all Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The WH, CT Posts: 5,690	Pure Evil....everyone should read this... http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/Safe...ID=11835&c=206 everyone should read this mess. basically some government officials are trying to END that thing we call privacy. giving the government so much unchecked power that it is honestly scary. i know its a long article...but it wont take you long to realize how bad this is. they will try to push this through during the war...if that materializes...and it is historically easy to push acts through during war times. just like the first Patriot Act was. if you cant be bothered to read this...then i feel sorry for you. this also does NOT only affect America....cuz our dictator (Bush) WILL go after the rest of the world if he gets the chance. world domination? yes..that is his goal. READ!

February 22nd, 2003, 01:21 PM	#6
Moto-X Alex Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: On the beach. Posts: 3,210 Blog Entries: 1	Horrible... I don't know if you guys ever studied McCarthyism in school, but the Patriot Act makes that seem like kindergarden play. When the Patriot Act went into effect, I realized what a horribly insane man Bush is. This slipped through with so little fanfare, and was so confusing that people just didn't get it. We should all be marching in the streets against this insanity. As a matter of fact, I think I am now considered a terrorist for even writing this. Clinton may have been a hustler, but our national debt and the economy was better than it had been in decades and he never tried to pull any of this rhetoric "hocus pocus". If Clinton was impeached for his indescretion with a girl and the media, Bush should be locked in jail for what he is doing to all of us, and our "freedom".

February 22nd, 2003, 01:44 PM	#7
drew Sith Lord Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: England Posts: 536	holy poo Thats taking it all a bit fair. If that gets passed then the US government can pretty much do what it wants - to its own people You guys would lose pretty much all of your privacy. I agree that governments need to do something to fight the sources of terrorism, but thats going too far. Thats crazy!! big brother will be watching

February 22nd, 2003, 01:54 PM	#8
Moto-X Alex Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: On the beach. Posts: 3,210 Blog Entries: 1	read this.... http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveilla..._analysis.html

February 22nd, 2003, 02:00 PM	#9
drew Sith Lord Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: England Posts: 536	damn Be careful what you put in that Google search. The government may now spy on web surfing of innocent Americans, including terms entered into search engines, by merely telling a judge anywhere in the U.S. that the spying could lead to information that is "relevant" to an ongoing criminal investigation. The person spied on does not have to be the target of the investigation. This application must be granted and the government is not obligated to report to the court or tell the person spied upon what it has done.

February 22nd, 2003, 09:38 AM	#2
p00g0blin Know-it-all Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The WH, CT Posts: 5,690	"Stripping even native-born Americans of all of the rights of United States citizenship if they provide support to unpopular organizations labeled as terrorist by our government, even if they support only the lawful activities of such organizations, allowing them to be indefinitely imprisoned in their own country as undocumented aliens. (Section 501) " thats a sample from the article. yay for the land of the free...the stripping of american citizenship...not from immigrants...from people BORN IN AMERICA!

February 22nd, 2003, 10:58 AM	#3
PastorsGirl Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: C Posts: 1,095	Crap, thats insane.....! This just confuses me and scares me even more!!!!

February 22nd, 2003, 11:15 AM	#4
Arker It's For You... Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: So Cal, USA Posts: 2,558	holy #### i read it all, and damn. that's effed up.

February 22nd, 2003, 11:16 AM	#5
SoCalDirtRider Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: So Calif. Posts: 541	wow jeff... I was sitting here at work reading that and my boss came by and read it as well..and we both just took a deep breath and wondered what the heck is going on. This article and these actions that they are trying to do..violate some of the most basic rights in the bill of rights as a citizen. This is very concering. I think everyone should read this and understand what it means..it also states that all this secret and confidential information about you, could be access, without court order or even affiliation with a terrorist group. Here are a couple more of the "amendments" that would be made by this.. -Giving the government secret access to credit reports without consent and without judicial process. (Section 126) -Enhancing the government’s ability to obtain sensitive information without prior judicial approval by creating administrative subpoenas and providing new penalties for failure to comply with written demands for records. (Sections 128 and 129) -Allowing for the sampling and cataloguing of innocent Americans’ genetic information without court order and without consent. (Sections 301-306) -Permitting, without any connection to anti-terrorism efforts, sensitive personal information about U.S. citizens to be shared with local and state law enforcement. (Section 311)

February 22nd, 2003, 03:35 PM	#10
RedRider19 Moto-X Maniac Level Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mahwah, New Jerzeeee Posts: 2,575	Ack, this is all creepy. If anyone in Canada or Australia is willing to let me live with them, PM me . OK anyway...speaking of all this spying mumbo jumbo, here's a good article (yes, its from a video game website, but its still good) about Echelon. I had a better one, but lost it. oh well, check it out. http://planetdeusex.com/features/articles/echelon/ EDIT: found it...here ya go http://fly.hiwaay.net/~pspoole/echelon.html Last edited by RedRider19; February 22nd, 2003 at 03:39 PM.

February 22nd, 2003, 04:13 PM	#11
Arker It's For You... Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: So Cal, USA Posts: 2,558	for you non-techies that have heard the name Carnivore and dont know what it is, here is a article about it written back in 2000 http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,37503,00.html The FBI project codenamed: CARNIVORE has been the target of many hacker attacks and was at one point during it's development setback do to such an attack There is a newer fbi project in the process of completion codenamed: MAGIC LANTERN http://www.msnbc.com/news/660096.asp?0na=x21017M32 how safe do you feel now.....

February 22nd, 2003, 04:26 PM	#12
durrty Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: ut Posts: 493	i do work for computer and internet companys and your so called privacy is not as private as you think!! i dont like it anymore than you or the rest of the world but there really is nothing you can do everytime you use a credit card you get tracked every time you do anything electronically its logged somewere and if someone tries hard enough they can get most of that info BUT unless some one IS on the look out for you it would be really time consuming for somebody to filter all of one persons info out WW3 Last edited by durrty; February 22nd, 2003 at 04:29 PM.

February 22nd, 2003, 04:30 PM	#13
drew Sith Lord Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: England Posts: 536	But the point is. The authorities should need a GOOD reason to look at that information. Before they needed to convince a judge that they suspect you of illigal activities and said informationcould prove you did it. Now it seems they only need suspesion. Not credable proof.

February 22nd, 2003, 05:32 PM	#14
AusFMX Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 2,341	look a kangaroo!....

February 22nd, 2003, 06:03 PM	#15
durrty Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: ut Posts: 493	it is easier than you think to get that info for 50 bucks you can get more than you need about some one do a people search on yahoo and click on one of the banners selling background search services youl crap your pants if youve never seen that

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