place your bets

[slur]

who will be the 1st aussie to do a flip, do you think one will get pulled out at the sydney freestyle masters or will it take metz at zero gravity to hype the locals up to it?

[^kicker^]

i would have been guessing kinnaird or (dan)hall ..but i dont think hall will attemped it for a little while untill he is all healed up. so i'll go with Kinaird and maybe JP.. another rider who i dont think is that far off one is shaun richardson, i saw him at melbourne freestyle masters and he was goin off.:D

wheres zero gravity at? and when

[crustyfmx250]

i would say it will be after metzger comes here.

and i would say richo.

I know dayne is a mad rider, but i just cant picture him doing the backflip before a fair few other aussies.

[shaolin]

if they have a hit for it id say dan hall at this x games

[MM2death]

Hey does anyone know if Hoppa pulled a rock solid at X games?

[freerider]

I am gonna put the money on jp for sure!! he has been pulling them on a bmx for awhile, and he certainly has the balls and skills to pull it.;)

[hardkau]

for some reason i got a feelin that it'll just be some bloke we've never heard of before from out the sticks somewhere, i really wouldnt be surprised if there was someone out there already doin em.
but if not, i'd say kinnaird would have to be the one, i'm sure he's capable of it

[PRICEY]

my mate MICHAEL NORMAN
is gonna give it a try this
weekend off a vert dirt hit
i recon he is gonna pull it off to.

[PRICEY]

he's been waitin till he gets a 250
to give it a go and now hes got
it he's ready,
1st gears what everyone
else does it in right?

[crustyfmx250]

on metzger's expn.com chat, he was sayin something about how he does em in 1st on his CR, but pastrana had to use 2nd at the gravity games....but thats for the gap flips, definetly 1st for a vert hit.


make sure to get pics if he tries it

[mx_on_tour]

Heard an Aussie unknown reckon he's gonna pull off the flip at ZG.

Goes by the name of Tareik

He's tryin 2 line up the deal with Deanso at the moment

If itz a Pro Rider I'd go JP....have u seen the insanity he unleashes on a postie bike!!!

Definately a weapon that guy

[JSR]

Of the aussie pros, my money would be on JP to pull one first. But who knows, it could be anyone.

[sturto]

out of the pros i thought dan hall or porter and i dont think dan will be doin it for a wile so porter. but i think a up and comer will do it first i know a few guys that are thinking about it pretty solidly i know im keen but i just gotta set up the jump and wait till my foot gets abit better. as we have seen it can be done and quite esily. its just attempting it that first time is what stops most people.

[FunkeD_OuT_FmX]

Im gonna go with JP ............but i'd love to see an Unknown from the sticks pull it off. I know there is heaps of potential out there so hop to it fellas show us wot ya got !!!!!!

[Goba]

My bet is on J.P. or Schubring as they are both good BMX riders. Schuie is sussing a popper ramp and dirt landing with the aim of doing something after he finishes his busy schedule, which takes up the next five weeks. I also reckon J.P. might have some secrets about an attempt soon. Peto is on standby to shoot the first attempt, so if anyone's keen let me know. He told me he spoke to Tareik, and it sounds like he's all talk and no action, but I guess we'll soon see ay! Goba.

[^kicker^]

yeah i think i'll stik wit JP , he'd also probly have to be ma fav aussie rider/racer

[ShIfT_BoY]

I think it would be sick if Norman did it..but if he doesnt i've got my money on Dan Hall or JP.

I was poundrin..on the Cleveland Freeride Vids that Crusty posted up the commentator said that Hoppa has a variation rocksolid he throw..does anyone know what it is.??

[mx_on_tour]

dunno...but he's doin rulers to indian airs

[fest_fmx]

cmon guys. what about urek???? this kid goes huge and i rekon he is the only one with the balls to do it, jp is too pretty, hoppa would prolly giv it a go, but i dont rekon he has it in him. i rekon urek is gonna get it first

[^kicker^]

fest_fmx...jp duznt have the balls to do it? ? ? yeah right, JP is one of the sikest riders out, he was absolutely going off at the melbourne round of freestyle masters, way more than Urek was.
e.g . . . he proved he will try somthing different when at the fmx masters he did a d/ramp to d/ramp jump AND launched off the bmx d/ramp to one of the freestyle landings. so im guessing that he Does have the balls to try somthing like the backflip

[ryinage]

urek, but who knows???

[fmx_devilicious]

Originally posted by FrmX_Girl_69r
Im gonna go with JP ............but i'd love to see an Unknown from the sticks pull it off. I know there is heaps of potential out there so hop to it fellas show us wot ya got !!!!!!

yeah thats it girl I agree love to see sumone come out of no where and pull it off
That would rock!!!!!

[yike]

Harriman....:D

[tommyugn]

anyone got a kicker for it if so let me know and ill be there flipping away,
id like to see the first one done on a 4 stroker
c ya

[^kicker^]

haha SOM1 GIVE HIM A KICKER ! ! i wanna see this..lol

[mx_on_tour]

Urek or Harri.....Um.......I dont think so!!!

If you know them (personally), i dont c u coming to that conclusion

May b it won't be JP...but neither luke nor Harri are gonna run number one for the backflip....

Both are grouse riders and Urek is really steppin it up lately but it won't be them

[yike]

I was joking abput harriman.......Hey tommy, I have a kicker and I will personally drive to your place with it to see you try a flip!

[Magic]

so the flip debate gos on.
i honestly think that whoever does it first does it.
i think that the whole backflip thing is overrated and alot of people are saying they will do it or try it for the wrong reasons.
i think it is a trick that if you are not totally prepared for there could be some serious injury in store. the guys in the states who have done them or tryed them have trained there arse of for it.
i really want to try one and i think with the right situation and training i could do one but its all that first attempt. i for one am not pushin to get the fame of being the first one im just going to take my time and do it when im ready.
mc.

[PRICEY]

Norman didnt do it,
they didnt build a vert ramp in the dirt for him.
but he was ready to do it to.
it will be done before ZG though.

[tommyugn]

ill be the one loling
some one setup a kicker and landing
im gonna train my arse off so say 1 or 2 months and if theres a ramp ready ill be there.
n e 1 want to sponsor my flip and film it?
CHOW

[tommyugn]

PS: on my last comment
im 15 and fearless so why not try the backflip, iv got the safety gear. plus its a quick way to get recognised,sponsored,in mags
there are a few reasons

[mx_on_tour]

Lemme know where and when & I'll run the interview deal

[slur]

slur will sponsor it but you better bring a freind to hold the camera cause you cant expect us to wait around sober allday

[mx_on_tour]

Trust u 2 b only able to do one thing at a time....

I think i need to teach u a few tricks....

U messy drunk

[crustyfmx250]

Originally posted by tommyugn
PS: on my last comment
im 15 and fearless so why not try the backflip, iv got the safety gear. plus its a quick way to get recognised,sponsored,in mags
there are a few reasons



safety gear aint gonna stop the bike breaking your bones if it lands on you.

i think theres too many people thinking they can do the backflip since a few guys have landed it....it should be done when a rider feels they are ready, and have no doubt they will land it...not just to get their name out

[yike]

Where do you live tommy?

[tommyugn]

nsw
mate three months from now. ill be flippin
mate i dont understand why they think peole will snap themself if they attempt it
you have to be a bit of a nob to have the bike land on you seeing your not racing. you can strategically plan it.
but first im going to flip my pushy for practice and get realy flexi
CHOW

[crustyfmx250]

:rolleyes:

caleb wyatt, nate adams...both pro riders, both had the bike land on them.

anything can go wrong. if you are fully commited to getting the roatation, you wont be thinking about bailing. and if you screw it up, its likely that it can hit you.

but whatever. one of these days some kid will get paralised, and maybe then people will learn.

[tommyugn]

mate thats not to positive or incouraging but it is the truth
but, this will sound arrogant
IT WILL NOT HAPPEN TO ME OR ANY OF MY FRIENDS!! FULL STOP

[crustyfmx250]

can you see into the future?

edit- and i know im probably sounding a bit harsh in my posts here, but i just dont wanna see people getting hurt trying this trick, it is very risky... :)

[^kicker^]

can we see any pics of u riding tommy ?

[tommyugn]

i know you want proof
but i dont have a scanner and my digital camera has shyt its self
your going to laugh
iv only ridden motorcross bikes for 6 months
thats why im going to pull it in 2-3 months
so i can get fit flexi and realy balanced
plus im building a dirt jump to backflip off on a pushy and hopefully in a friends dam on a #### pushy.
i did use to race pushies though
so believe it or not its goin to be pulled in 2-3 months
and my bike can see the future
i look into the shiny fork tubes and i see all plus i can look in the pipe and see carbon.
think about it all you have to do is get one little rotation
a ruler or scorpian would be more dangerous
CHOW

[tommyugn]

i c your point crusty, but at times you do have to put caution to the wind if you want to learn and progress
theres no point in me riding at 80percent i like riding on the edge you get there quicker.
hmm....
here we go some one will likely say "itll get you killed quicker" so my response is im going to train and train and train and bust it
CHOW

[crustyfmx250]

k.....but in an earlier post, you said "its a quick way to get sponsored"

...shouldnt you learn to ride, and jump properly before you try and get sponsors?!?

can you even do decent sized jumps, or any tricks?

and as for the ruler or scorpion being more dangerous - definetly not. most tricks you can slowly work up to, or sometimes there is an easier trick before it. not so with the flip (other than practicing on bmx).

but again, whatever, you can do whatever you feel like...ill stop posting here now :D

[tommyugn]

largest iv gone sofar was 75-80 feet
CHOW

[ozphotocross]

i can see some serius bad ***** coming from national publications when all these kids start tryng flips and getting all busted up...or worse,...... this will not be good 4 fmx

hahaha - 6 months and u wanna do a flip..lol..hope ur playing us

9 months isnt going to make diff either

[tommyugn]

well....... mate what ever you reckon ok because the flip is goin down in 2-3 months ok
so you can accept it or...... well........ what ever the hell you want

[slur]

my bet is on the 1st flip being landed in oz will be done within the next six weeks

[PRICEY]

definatly man

[tommyugn]

are you serious?
SHYT SHYT SHYT
is there a big comp or something do you know who?

[slur]

no big comp, its just called progression. riders who have been riding/competing for years not months like you will be stepping up, so dont go out and bust yourself trying to keep up untill you get somemore time and exprence on the bike

[shaolin]

6 to 8 weeks someone in aus would have ridden out a flip easy...

[ryinage]

shiat tommygun, you are gunna miss out!!! tough luck ey man... but if you think the filp will get you instant fame, good luck, but think about it more before you pull it, maby some one should put up the pic of the half filp...

[^kicker^]

ay tommy,,
what size jumps have you actully done.. and what tricks can you do?

also..where in uas are you from

[tommyugn]

75 - 80 feet and you no small stuff no hander blah blah and nothings and nacnac
hmm consider a 360 maybe nah i still wanna flip

[tommyugn]

i think about flipping on the bus each day to and from school while listening to music which is about 40minutes each way
and when i go to sleep and when i get up so i think i think about it enough

[tommyugn]

instant fame well im talkin about attempting it and it has your attention.
im near wollongong

[dinsy]

I listen to loud music, does that mean I can flip too??

Dude seriously, you could (very slim chance) pull this off without seriously hurting yourself, but it still wont matter, Everyone gets over 1 trick wonders really quickly, think robbie knievel. Learn bike skills first, work your way up to the flip.

[dinsy]

take this as you will, either as insperation, or a warning.

[crustyfmx250]

i listened to music in the car the other day, and was imagining jumping 90ft ramp gaps and pulling off double grabs, hart attacks etc etc....so i should be fine if i went out right now and tried it, RIGHT?

[MM2death]

Yes crusty you dumba$$. I do it all the time. :rolleyes:

[slur]

you guys are retared if music will help i just drink a six pack

[OZ FMX]

i reckon an unknown or lesser known rider will pull it first

[tommyugn]

well thanks for the input, seeing it makes no difference and most of you are negative and cinicle.
i bet alot of you stack ayye, well?
thats because you guys try #### and doubt it .
if i some one does a flip in aus first ill still do it and then start training for a 360
anyway enough chatin.
CHOW

[ryinage]

Originally posted by tommyugn
well thanks for the input, seeing it makes no difference and most of you are negative and cinicle.
i bet alot of you stack ayye, well?
thats because you guys try #### and doubt it .
if i some one does a flip in aus first ill still do it and then start training for a 360
anyway enough chatin.
CHOW

we just dont wanna see some kid get parilized or die trying something stupid... nothin against you man, look at McNorman, we are cheering him on the flip... go figgure kid, we just wanna make sure you know the consecuences...

[MM2death]

yo tommyugn, you got my back. ;)

[ShIfT_BoY]

Give Tommyugn some credit, hes got balls and i will laugh so hard when he does do it.

I with ya all the way Tommy

Motor Sport is dangourus period. You can just as much get killed goin on a weekend trailride than you can attemting a back flip.

If Tommy tries it over a small gap (like the ones that Calab and Pastrana were doin um off) he could do it with some training.

[^kicker^]

yea... he MIGHT land it with some training..
but i think what everyone else is getting at is that tommy should do more than 6months riding before he attemps a flip, if he does try it and bends himself up and if other amatures do the same thing, its NOT going to be good for the sport.
we are thinking safety tommy, even if ya dont beleiv it

[tommyugn]

thanks for the support
but hey all the cautious people, why not try things?
yeah its raising the risk factor but think about it you could get slammed or mowed down by some drunk in a car while walking to the shops
or being on a trail and hitting a tree
i know it is raising the danger level
and how do you progress in life without taking risk.
im just going to be one hundered persent positive and all will go sweet.
do you people out there who dont believe even ride?
and if you do, do you wrap yourself in bubble wrap first?
my suspension has just been dialed in for a flip well big jumps anyway.
one more thing six months six years, it doesnt matter there is no such thing as natural talent. its all about how far you push it and how fast you learn. didnt you here about how pastrana taught his cousin to ride at his place and a week later his cousin did a flip.
so accept its goin down and support it, if you do , thanks heaps
but if you still doubt it, i dont give a flip.
CHOW

[tommyugn]

hey man a couple of people snapping themselves isnt bad for our sport its when stooges snap themselves and sue
CHOW

[mulcs]

yea well tommy u mite aswell have a go coz not many people inoz r steppin up so have a go as cinq says there only bones they work back together n ur right ya gotta have a danger element to your life specially with fmx

[tommyugn]

thanks mulcs your right only bones
but none of those will be shattering with the flip goin down
CHOW

[mulcs]

yea well u hope wat setup u gonna have for it

[tommyugn]

what, like the kicker?

well dirt to dirt unless some one has a ramp they would like to loan me
any offers
CHOW

[mulcs]

yea it gonna be like a gap jump or like calebs vert jump

[tommyugn]

i acctually havnt decided but probably gap
what do you all reckon?
POLL
CHOW

[mulcs]

well i rekon have it vert caleb style alot safer for the first shot

[tommyugn]

have you got a clear pic of it to post i cant find one
CHOW

[crustyfmx250]

personally i think pastrana's small dirt gap step up looks the "safest"

When caleb didnt make the rotation, it looked like he kinda just tilted the bike over a bit, and he landed in the soft mulch stuff.

on the vert ones, i personally think there is more of a chance of the bike landing on you, and it seems harder to hold on (this is just judging off the videos ive seen)

[mulcs]

well tommy have u got a any sort of setup n wat bike n #### have ya got i aint gonna read bac to see if ya said it already

[mulcs]

n if ya have any trick pics post them
do u really think u got the skills to pull it or u just gonna go in blind like i would hahaha

[-=DV=-]

Originally posted by tommyugn
CHOW


GAWDDAIMN IF U SAY CHOW ONE MORE ###KING TIME IM GONNA DRIVE A TRUCK OVER YOU MULTIPLE TIMES!!!!!!!

btw good luck with the flip

[tommyugn]

sorry that you dont like the c word but its different to bye, c-ya,l8er all that shyt and thanks for the support
CHOW

[ozphotocross]

Hahahah..think tommy on to something here...its now my new word....


no more "nice" or"nasty" 4 me....CHOW all the way


so ill see u guy l8r...i mean CHOW

[tommyugn]

thats the way!!
chow and flip supporters
CHOW

[sturto]

tommy i cant say any thing that will stop you from flipping it is up to you but if your gonna try it dont be so damn arrogant about it. if you do land it it wont get you all the sponsorship you dream of because you are a crap rider and dont have the skills or the talent to follow through afterwards and do well in comps or show off a potential sponsors products in a demonstration. if you are the first you will soon be forgotton because it wont be long befor a few other riders that do actualy have skills will pull it. at the most you will get a short interview in freerider and maybe a few other mags. by the way good luck and dont get hurt.
cam

[PRICEY]

leave him alone sturto,
hiw do you know he is a crap rider?
and donig the flip would be awsome
pulicity even if he isnt that good a rider.

he could improve by doing more demos
and riding wit the big boyz.

CHOW

[Dan rox]

Sturto man, I agree with Pricey.
If he wants to do it let him eh'. The only way to get better is by trying. The publicity would do him good either way.
You are just being a complete retard saying ##### like that about him.
I reckon that you are just worried that he might do it and that would make ##### like you look bad.

[crustyfmx250]

Originally posted by sturto
by the way good luck and dont get hurt.




yeah, it really looks like sturto was being nasty, hey :rolleyes:

i fully agree. although you will get a whole heap of recognition, 100's of sponsors arent gonna suddenly want to sponsor you because of one thing.

[crustyfmx250]

oh, and by that, im NOT saying dont try it....do whatever you want.

all i mean, is that landing a flip isnt going to make you an instant fmx superstar

[yike]

Settle down Fellas... Sturto is just expressing his opinion on Tommy doing the flip, If tommy wants he's picture in the mags and the respect for pulling it he seems to be going about it a strange way as he comes across a little arrogant which I would say is not the most media friendly way to get the most exposure.... Just my thoughts anyway:)

[coley]

A unknown racer from melbourne pulled three in a row on the week end in melbourne onto a sandy flat landing. rumour has it that he maybe at the moto expo so i've been told.

[PRICEY]

guys,
were just jokin wit cam,
sorry if you interpereted
it differently.

QUOTE
---------------------
all i mean, is that landing a flip isnt going to make you an instant fmx superstar
----------------

well the moty expo is a start

[tommyugn]

sorry if im being arrogant and sorry for sounding like an ar$e licker if i have
but i do respect peoples opinion but if its negative then why the hell let it get into your system cause when i try the flip it will be a no doubt thing no negative thing.
when i do do it i think a few mags would cover it, so then pretty much all fmxers in aus will know about me. i know sponsors dont through themselves at people thats why ill have to follow through and do comps and demo's but at 15 you cant enter them till your 16.
arrogants, here i go:
(THE ONLY REASON YOU DOUBT ME IS BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE JUST LIKE ME)
CHOW

[Rooststar]

hey does any one out there know who the guy is that coley said might be flipping?
I also heard some rumours at the beinging of the week from magazine guys that some unknowns are flipping

[Mr bIg AiR]

hey tommy waht bike do u ride?

[tommyugn]

scccccccccccccrrrrrrrrrrroooooooooooooooooolllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
back.
but hey its a rm 125
CHOWl

[mulcs]

tommy have u got any ridin pics

[MM2death]

I very much doubt it.....i'm just waiting for less talk and more action....meaning bust flip!

[tommyugn]

nah no pics yet.
no point in taking them of nacs nofooters no handers and nothings.
toright " little less action little more backflip action"
CHOW

[fest_fmx]

hey idiot, i mean tommy, it sounds like u dont have much bike control,if u can only do nacs and cans. have watched nearly all the backy vids out there, i am contemplating it myself. but to do a flip u need total bike control, u cant just roll up to a near vert lip and blip the throttle and hope to flip ur bike. u have to know bike balance sub conciously. u have told everyone that u are gonna try one, and u still havent. u MIGHT get in a magazine if u do it, but if u dont, everyone will rort u for ###king up.

[tommyugn]

well really fest fmx i thought you just hit the ramp in 19th gear pinned let go with your hands and lent foward. incase you didnt notice stooge that i have been posting on this topic for aroung two - three weeks and said that its goin down in two - three months so please stop being a c0#khead and read and think before you speak.
also what the hell is rort
guess what im rorting at you right now
try contemplating shuting the hell up not flipping
by the way good luck nocking some sense into the thing you slide a helmet over
CHOW

[Nihility]

jeez....fellas....just relax......have a bitta chewy....calm down a bit......

(u'll only get that if you've heard latest The 12th Man CD)

[fest_fmx]

yo man, just CHOW alright