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Jarva_453
May 7th, 2002, 12:47 PM
Hmmmm...This question have most likely been asked several times before,but, i wanna know:

1.Whats the biggest gap you've ever jumped and cleared?

2.What's the bigest gap you've ever tried to clear,but...uhm...crashed!:D

Jester
May 7th, 2002, 12:54 PM
biggest jump ive ever done is about 85... biggest one ive crashed on was about 65-70.. hairline fracture of the femur,.... everyone please avoid doing this to yourself.. it doesnt tickle!!

FullThrottleSMP
May 7th, 2002, 01:05 PM
biggest gap to clear...45ft
biggest attempt and crash....also about 45ft lol...i suck :D

WaussInd
May 7th, 2002, 01:22 PM
Bah.. I dont know. maybe like 80 or 85 when i overshot the ramp a bit.

i havent crashed jumping anything that big though. i think this double to table was like 50 feet, and i crashed on that. hurt pretty bad.

ShiftKID99
May 7th, 2002, 02:00 PM
Biggest gap would have to be maybe 75 feet? Biggest crash was on a 98 foot table (I like to call it 100 lol)
Never really hurt myself but I anhiliated my YZ, about 950 dollars damage. Busted up a brand new shoei helmet:mad: Yea it sucked

crustyfmx250
May 7th, 2002, 06:06 PM
biggest "decent" gap cleared would have to be my ramp...was only ~45 - 50 ft though.

jumped it perfect for one day, then overjumped to atleast 60 the next...then end of that...

freerider67
May 7th, 2002, 07:25 PM
My biggest is about 80 ft. And the biggest i've crashed on was 50 ft. but i didn't really crash on the jump i tried a no footed nac and got out there Dustin Miller style and never pulled it back and rode on the side of my bike until i came up to a tree which ripped everything on my clutch side of my bars right off and ripped my shroud and graphic off, and also tweaked my radiator, and severely hurt my knee. Then my bike happened to fall over after it hit the tree right on a nice rock, putting about a fist size dent in my PC pipe. Oh well all part of FMX! That's why i love it!

mulcs
May 7th, 2002, 07:53 PM
biggest gap cleared round 90 foot, biggest gap crashed on was bout 70 foot but didnt hurt myself much, crashed oni the weekend at 65 foot and dislocated my shoulder which is bout the worst injury to date for me

mxrider32
May 7th, 2002, 08:04 PM
biggest gap about 75 ft

biggest gap to crash on 75ft. didnt bring a whip back and just skidded for about 30ft, didnt hurt notin just scratched myself up a bit

OZ FMX
May 8th, 2002, 03:41 AM
50ft double
60ft same jump flatlanded

SoCalCRrider868
May 8th, 2002, 05:20 AM
Water Tower in Florida. 115ft. Thats my biggest jump. Other than that. I did a 90 ft double. But i crashed the worst on a 75 ft tabletop. Short Face+Seatbounce+2nd gear=endo+ Broken Collarbone and Shoulder seperation.

yzfmx418
May 8th, 2002, 07:51 AM
about 95 ft from my ramp and 65 ft 3 weeks ago big no footed can can and was WAY off the bike and couldnt pull back and landed next to it and the bike slamed me in the back causing a couple of broke and briused ribs a badly buised pinky and a hematoma under my right shouldermy whole side was a big bruise i have pictures i will put up soon
later lmk

www.freestyleok.cjb.net

JB_Stylz
May 8th, 2002, 06:15 PM
Largest gap...15 feet, lol, bigest I crashed...5 feet lol, first jump

May 8th, 2002, 07:34 PM
biggest jump 50 ft ( i think )
biggest jump w/crash ummm veeeeeerrrrrryyy small

NoFeAr FrEaK #101
May 9th, 2002, 05:04 AM
ahh my biggest gap would be like 50ish 60ish, i have no idea. And i dont think ive crashed on anything too big :) (happy with that)

Jarva_453
May 9th, 2002, 11:49 AM
I'll have to confess(sp?) now(:rolleyes::D)...Biggest gap i cleared:45 feet(im on a 80:()......Biggest jump crash:When i had full trottle on a upphill jump on Upplands Väsby MX track, and overjumped the landing with about 10 feet(the jump was 30 feet).It was slippery,and i nocked my head onto the bars and crashed out in the bushes!:D:D:D:D:D:D:D...hurt my cheek and my balls!!!DOH!

sick air
May 9th, 2002, 12:23 PM
the biggest would be 72ft. double and i over jumped a 50ft tabletop and flat landed 12ft out hit a pyle of dirt and flew over the bars

RM_Rider_521
May 13th, 2002, 05:14 PM
I don't know what my biggest 'gap' is, but my biggest jump is a 55ft'ish table..

I haven't crashed on any big jumps (yet), but I would probably say overjumping a 30 footer and bailing off to the side.. No injuries except a few scratches..

Motodemon
May 13th, 2002, 08:51 PM
biggest gap 140 feet...biggest crash 95 feet,,broken back...torn acl..miniscus..broken.femur...tib/fib...split eyelids.......6 hour reconstructive knee surgery

FullThrottleSMP
May 13th, 2002, 09:18 PM
lol i think you win :) that's pretty gnarly!

slider
May 14th, 2002, 12:36 AM
Hey sometimes i get time to read stuff at this site. My biggest gap was 245 ft out at glamis sand dunes. It was a big roller dune with a lip and alot of up and then way down to the bottom of the 150 ft tall dune. I would stay around 20 ft in the air but i would arch at the same time the dune was. It was sick being in the air 5th gear pinned. You have so much control in the 5 to 6 seconds of hang time. I was bad ###. Well i put in my two cents so peace out,. Robert distler

vincemorgan
May 14th, 2002, 09:15 AM
thats somw sick air bro, the biggest gap i have successfully jumped was only 100 feet.:D but hey, thats the biggest i have around here. i need to get down to phx. and ride with you guys! that would be awesome. im tired of just jumping one steel ramp(rev.3) all the time. your old man sure did a tight job on mine. (with a little of my help and my cheap azz welder.later



vince

MxPhreaky
May 14th, 2002, 08:42 PM
80 feet bigest jump
and also crashed on the 80 footer too landed on my head.... that explains alot about me:D

Hornet
May 15th, 2002, 05:18 AM
my biggest jump (well it wasn't really a gap) was a 60ft tabletop at a mates house. biggest jump stacked on? 55ft table trying a nothing and didn't get back on properly. didnt even get hurt, but then i crash on a like 20 or 30ft double and break 3 bones...its wierd

cheers,
Hornet

ps. just checkin' to see if my first avatar worked:D :p

rookie76
May 15th, 2002, 08:53 AM
my biggest gap so far is 8.35 feet. but i ate it at 7.68 feet one time.

poser_basher
May 15th, 2002, 11:45 AM
yea i got nothin on distler. largest gap completed, paced at 77'. largest stack was on the same gap, come up short, nosed into the backside, and ended up with a destroyed bike and a broken wrist.

Logan_FMX
May 15th, 2002, 01:17 PM
i jumped a 100 foot sand table at a track, and won a jump comp off the thing.


and last night, i was riding my buddies cr 250 and there is this tripple stepup in town, dont know how big exactly, but i shot off it wrong and got all whipped out and cased it on this kids like mint condition 2001 cr 250 with all new black plastic, then bounced around a couple times and fell, nothing happenend luckily tho,. id say the jump was about like 70 feet or so, i dunno nothing huge, and i looped the kids bike doing a regan sieg first gear fender scraper wheelie, lol. also at an arenacross i cased the like 70 foot tripple, but held on and hurts my nuts quite a bit hahaha

crustyfmx250
May 15th, 2002, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by rookie76
my biggest gap so far is 8.35 feet. but i ate it at 7.68 feet one time.

LOL :D

you gotta teach me how to do that cordova over that gap :D haha

savage destruct
May 15th, 2002, 06:29 PM
Geesh...biggest gap...70 feet at the most! I'll get a pic of it...Its a jump to tabletop landing...Ate it at 30 ft. Legs got bucked off! Slammed my face on the bars and twisted my leg....FUN!:rolleyes:

freestylekid33
May 16th, 2002, 09:19 AM
Bigest jumped i have ever jumped was a 80ft tabletop at my local track. have over jumped it to aboout 93 feet though didnt wreck but hurt like H*ll !! LOL.... i looped out my cr 80 a about 2 years ago on like a lil 45 ft double in a rythme sectition and tore every legament and tore abunch of crap in my knee and broke my collar bone everybody said it was a funny watchin crash...?... i dint think so layin on the coutch the next 6 months...

MX FREAK
May 16th, 2002, 01:36 PM
Our local track has an 85 ft table, I jump around 50-60 on my yz 80, havent hit it on my kx125. I can clear it i know i can. On my 80 I was pinned in like 4-5 gear, If I pin it n 3 or 4 on my 125 Ill clear it easy. c its cool cus on the landing theres 2 little down hill little idnention things. My 80 i landed on the 1st lil dow thing, my 125 will clear it all. I love that jump because you can pin it and land super smooth. I jumped about 50 ft and the wond caught me in the air and i did a kind of wip well i landed thta way. I didnt get hurt though just some bruises! One time before that It happend and I stuck my leg out! Big mistake! Thats why I didnt do it the 2nd time!

crustyfmx250
May 16th, 2002, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by MX FREAK
On my 80 I was pinned in like 4-5 gear,

i dont get it, you dont know what gear you were in ?!?

SCAR8
May 18th, 2002, 05:12 PM
i dont etheier alot of times sometimes its hard to tell on an 80 !!and like at a mx track i dont count the gears im in cause usally i just shift untill i come up to them and thats enough to clear it owell its hard to explain!!!!!

latas

OZ FMX
May 18th, 2002, 07:14 PM
i dont think seth knew either with that dune jump in crusty 1

NoFeAr FrEaK #101
May 19th, 2002, 12:12 AM
i dont count my gears.

ont.freerider
May 20th, 2002, 03:21 PM
haha that seth thing was funny

dana : "seth wat gear were you in bro?"

seth; "I dunno"

dana: "last one?"

seth: *moans* "uh huh"

that was funny! good ol' seth. thats when he was waaaaaay cool!

L.T.
May 28th, 2002, 01:12 PM
Biggest jump i hit you couldnt exactly count as a gap, maybe you could anyway, it was 90 feet . I also over shot a 70 footer by another 10 feet .

i have 2 really funny yet brutal crashes. 4 years ago iw as on my 80 and i hit that tripple stepup logan was talking about, my susp bottemed out off the lip and i landed on my back on the curve of the landing of the stepup that hurt so bad, i thot i was paralized.

Here is one that hurt. I cased a 60-70 foot tripple and got a concussion and my Girlfriend counted 16 knots in my back, and i put my throat into my clamps. That hella hurt.

FUBAR
July 1st, 2004, 09:39 PM
50 foot double is the biggest gap. The biggest jump I did is a 60 ft table.

deltron3030
July 1st, 2004, 10:01 PM
About 120 feet I've cleared.

About a 90 foot double I cased on my KTM65. Tore 2 ligiments, 1 in each ankle.

Dobe539
July 1st, 2004, 11:31 PM
500ft quad in mcm2....

but seriously...
biggest 103ft triple
biggest crashed off... 80ft table = Shoulder seperation

Claud
July 1st, 2004, 11:54 PM
My biggest distance probably like 100 feet? But I dont count that since it was like a easy jump just a table top downhill, Actual jump? Maybe 65'? Biggest crash probably on this 60 foot table top with a tall lip threw me like 15 feet in the and just didnt make it

Johnsonmx
July 2nd, 2004, 12:03 AM
Biggest jump, i don't know, forgot the tape, maybe 176.4 feets, biggest jump ever crashed on, i don't fall jumping i fall landing! MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!

Jizzle
July 2nd, 2004, 12:50 AM
Better watch out the thread police (SMP_Motoxer) is gonna get ya!:p

robhessian
July 2nd, 2004, 02:10 AM
240' in the dunes. 5th pinned and preloading. Hit brake like 4 times. Scary.... We walked it off at 240 or so.. No lie.Huge roller dune one side blown over, other side very gradual flew to the bottom.. Its right by Osborn lookout right off the fwy. 5th pinned is so scary, the paddle makes it feel different to..

Bar_bender
July 2nd, 2004, 04:27 AM
Biggest jump that I´ve cleared is a 90 ft table....and the biggest crash must been when I cased a 45 ft double bigtime...didnt broke anything but my bike was like #####


woho 300th post:blip:

Twiatch
July 2nd, 2004, 05:19 AM
Biggest jump 110 feet
Crash 130 feet broke both wrists and one ankle and my shoulder ###ked it self:(

Twiatch
July 2nd, 2004, 05:20 AM
For god sake the nurses whiped my arse..:eek:

tgaz
July 2nd, 2004, 05:47 AM
my biggest jump was 65 feet, landed it flat :twisted:

cy688
July 2nd, 2004, 08:27 AM
Biggest 40-45 feet
Crash about 10 feet but didnt do anything to me.

KrIcKeT
July 2nd, 2004, 08:35 AM
biggest jump 85ft
crashed on 60ft down hill triple
broke my right wrist both bones 1 pin there and broke my ball in my shoulder right off the bone 2 pins there

line5effort
July 2nd, 2004, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by robhessian
240' in the dunes. 5th pinned and preloading. Hit brake like 4 times. Scary.... We walked it off at 240 or so.. No lie.Huge roller dune one side blown over, other side very gradual flew to the bottom.. Its right by Osborn lookout right off the fwy. 5th pinned is so scary, the paddle makes it feel different to..

Have you been back to the jump since you got hurt on it.? And if you have do you think you could still jump it? I know the dunes are always changing and sometimes you can do a jump one week and then the next day it's no good but then the next day it's good again.

sickandtired
July 2nd, 2004, 01:07 PM
140ft i broke my femur on it. I did what you call a booner air i chunked my bike. There is nothing in the world that compairs to big air. It make your balls small and big at the same time

fmxmyway
July 2nd, 2004, 05:08 PM
170 on dirt on the sand i do not know im scared to go to the sand i dont feel like landing on some college kid drinking his brains out on a quad with no helmet on (sand at glamis that is)

wacker
July 2nd, 2004, 05:29 PM
37 feet. but i looped out and got road rash on my butt.

Fuzzy
July 2nd, 2004, 08:20 PM
Originally posted by Nowak
37 feet. but i looped out and got road rash on my butt.

Thats INSANE man, i did that once too and it left this funny scar on my backside, for real!

anyway, i've jumped around 70 succesfully, but recently on a diffrent 70 foot hit i missed a shift and i had no choice but to hit it a gear low. i knew i wasnt gonna make it so i just held on for the ride. i got like 40 something stiches, knocked myself out, concussion, i chipped my jaw in three places, split one tooth (it now needs a root canal), and i knocked the rest of my teeth loose for a few days

3rd_degree_byrn
July 2nd, 2004, 11:27 PM
90ft triple
crashed on a 85ft ramp to dirt

3rd_degree_byrn
July 2nd, 2004, 11:32 PM
check out this gap deegans seat grab indying

3rd_degree_byrn
July 2nd, 2004, 11:34 PM
forgot pic

squeek110
July 3rd, 2004, 01:54 AM
biggest 70 ft
biggest crash same jump flatlanded and broke my femur

fmx #258
July 3rd, 2004, 02:44 AM
biggest 70ft
biggest crash was on the same jump and one of the guys i was riding with decided it would be funny to turn my fuel off. so im coming up to this jump and a few meters before the up ramp my bike died and i landed on the top of the down ramp and high sided of it and bent my new pro tapers and i got pretty smashed up too. :(

KTM-KID
July 3rd, 2004, 06:59 AM
largest gap 112ft at dumont
Super man attempt gone bad on 50ft jump Dident hurt much a little scraped tho:D

FreestyleMX
July 3rd, 2004, 07:00 AM
Originally posted by fmx #258
biggest 70ft
biggest crash was on the same jump and one of the guys i was riding with decided it would be funny to turn my fuel off. so im coming up to this jump and a few meters before the up ramp my bike died and i landed on the top of the down ramp and high sided of it and bent my new pro tapers and i got pretty smashed up too. :(
so did your friend pay for the bars.

fmx #258
July 3rd, 2004, 03:29 PM
no he is a stingy bastard, but he hasnt come ridin since.

wacker
July 3rd, 2004, 04:19 PM
he wouldnt be riding with my anymore anyways, i probably would have broken both of his legs. that is the dumbest thing anyone could ever do. even though you shoulda checked it ;)

Mulishatwist420
July 3rd, 2004, 07:04 PM
biggest jump is 85' table. biggest gap prob 55'
cased a 60' double didnt hurt, just scraped up.
cased a 90' step up triple thing, broke my wrist and ankle.

i seem to have bad luck lately.

BDR1006
July 3rd, 2004, 07:22 PM
cleared 90 foot dirt step up

jumped 170 foot dirt step up but came up like 5 - 10 feet short (suprisingly rode it off)

mcgreaves
July 3rd, 2004, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by 3rd_degree_byrn
90ft triple
crashed on a 85ft ramp to dirt

seriously buddy dont BS, most people do know that you lie, such as in the bike thread, you posted pictures of so many different bikes in different countries and tried to pass it off as the gold coast, like it was mexico to sweden to russia, so unbelievable it wasent funny.

what bike was this on and do you have pictures?

total_kaos
July 4th, 2004, 03:06 AM
biggest jump was 85ft double,biggest crash was a 95ft triple,here's a pic of the doulble.

JAMIE-fmx
July 4th, 2004, 04:07 AM
biggestt jump done was 70 foot ramp to dirt and 70 foot at the dunes the biggest jump i have ever crashed on was like 30 foot iv been really lucky so far

ShIfT_BoY
July 4th, 2004, 01:12 PM
80ft 5th pinned on a 125.

Jizzle
July 4th, 2004, 05:55 PM
70.

Biggest jump ive done was 80 ft tho

crash? biggest crash probably 50 ft hehe

RM_Rider_521
July 6th, 2004, 12:26 AM
19.5 ft

Robbo66
July 6th, 2004, 05:32 AM
biggest jump: 120ft

biggest gap to crash on:70ft

this is on my YZ85

FMX_RM250
July 6th, 2004, 10:32 AM
biggest gap= 90ft. double
biggest gap crashing= 115-120ft. out in Silver Lake Sand dunes

Jizzle
July 6th, 2004, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by Yamaha_85
biggest jump: 120ft

biggest gap to crash on:70ft

this is on my YZ85 Got any pics?

newKXguy
July 6th, 2004, 07:49 PM
my biggest gap is 15 feet. no joke. its like my first month

ride on
July 8th, 2004, 03:36 AM
240' in the dunes. 5th pinned and preloading. Hit brake like 4 times. Scary.... We walked it off at 240 or so.. No lie.Huge roller dune one side blown over, other side very gradual flew to the bottom.. Its right by Osborn lookout right off the fwy. 5th pinned is so scary, the paddle makes it feel different to..

I heard about that hit- right next to the 78 freeway. Didn't somebody hit that and crash horribly? Oh and by the way, I am pretty sure i saw you and John (distler) out at the Glamis restaurant one time, and another just heading over the ridge along the sand highway scouting for hits, I'm sure.

1. 105' dune hit at glamis also by the freeway
90 foot triple thingy out at Elsinore's main track- hard to hit out of the corner

2. Ocotillo Wells by Pole Line:wasn't very long, but was really high (17 or so feet max), and you had a grip of hand time. I went through the whoops wrong and hit the wrong line which had this rock or something, anyways, endo'd and broke my right wrist

wannabe
July 8th, 2004, 04:12 AM
biggest ive done prolly 35-40ft

YZF_Odom
July 8th, 2004, 12:42 PM
cleared this jump they call King Kong 120ft at my buddy taylor johnson's house.

and i dunno i always wreck on stupid #### like 20 ft doubles or something......never on anything big except when i try to jump all the way down this hill at this track called hillbilly hills, well i did a sik boner air and ###ked up.......

Robbo66
July 8th, 2004, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by Twiatch
Biggest jump 110 feet
Crash 130 feet broke both wrists and one ankle and my shoulder ###ked it self:(

sure ya did.


no pics Jizzle. the motocross photographers got none of me over the jump. next year though;)

FleshFox132
July 8th, 2004, 09:13 PM
Biggest jump I've hit is a 80ft tabletop on my CRF150, made it about 50-60 feet. Biggest I can make is the 50-60 foot finish line jump at one of the tracks here in AK. Biggest jump I've crashed was maybe 6 or 7 feet long single jump with an uphill landing on my old XR80 when I was 9 or so. Later I was hitting it perfect.:cool:

yaga
July 11th, 2004, 11:46 PM
the biggest jump iv done is 140ft.at blackduckvalley.5th gear flat

sikFFRider
July 12th, 2004, 09:39 AM
mine will hav to b a 45 foot, it was at a track on a small triple. Small but trying to step it up. Crashed on a 35 footer and broke my wrist:(

Muzz111
July 12th, 2004, 05:56 PM
Biggest gap prob a 55 ft Table and Biggest stack a 35ft Step up broke couple of ribs part from that bike was sweet.

KTM-KID
July 12th, 2004, 06:20 PM
here is the biggest jump that i have pics of 70ft table at RaceTown 395

MotoDirtRider
July 12th, 2004, 07:34 PM
biggest was like a 75ft table just for like freestyle and stuff but biggest crash was like a 10 foot jump but the lip was like 2 feet tall and the landing was maybe 2 and a half and i hit it like 3rd going kinda fast kicked back wheel up and i endo'ed broke my wrist arm and was bruised so bad, i was very embarrased for how i crashed. everyone laughed at me :( haha than i :D :m16: and i was much better

MotoDirtRider
July 12th, 2004, 07:39 PM
lol KTM KID thats the same hit thats about the same size as my friends but ive hitten that one, i love that track so much

aussiemxer
July 13th, 2004, 02:58 AM
biggest jump ive done is a 60ft table top
had a couple of close calls but no crashes yet.

KTM-KID
July 13th, 2004, 06:56 AM
Originally posted by MotoDirtRider
lol KTM KID thats the same hit thats about the same size as my friends but ive hitten that one, i love that track so much

Oh i know isint that the sweetest track:D

That was my first day riding my new bike on that track so now this weekend im going to start whiping it i will get some pics:)

NoFear_499
July 13th, 2004, 10:41 PM
Biggest jump was a 112' natural table, biggest crashed was an endo into the landing of a 75 foot triple.

Wr3cked
July 16th, 2004, 10:49 PM
50 foot double, worse crash: landing balls out on the fuel cap and then flipped over the bars, this is in the middle of a race too lol man did that one hurt, havent broken a bone yet knock on wood :eek:

deltron3030
July 17th, 2004, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by KTM-KID
here is the biggest jump that i have pics of 70ft table at RaceTown 395

How big was the old tripple into the table kinda near the front.

I remember doing that on my KTM65...it was quite awhile ago, dont know if you ever went there when it was there.


wasnt real big, defiently fun.

MilkManizzle
July 17th, 2004, 01:20 AM
Originally posted by ShIfT_BoY
80ft 5th pinned on a 125.
5th pinned and only went 80? I've cleared 100 (go third gear pinned woooo) in 3rd on a 125

FMX-IN-B.C
July 17th, 2004, 01:47 AM
ummm hittin ramp here going big...

RM_Rider_521
July 17th, 2004, 04:46 AM
Originally posted by FMX-IN-B.C
ummm hittin ramp here going big...

hey thats coopers set up! looks sweet in his vid

ShIfT_BoY
July 17th, 2004, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by MilkManizzle
5th pinned and only went 80? I've cleared 100 (go third gear pinned woooo) in 3rd on a 125

Different jumps require different gears. :) This was uphill with a pretty small jump. Plus I was only pinning it about 7 meters before the jump, so I guess it wasn't fully pinned.

Robbo66
July 17th, 2004, 09:33 PM
and you both probably have different gearing.

rm100kid
July 18th, 2004, 09:07 PM
the most i have jumped was 30 or 40ft. somewhere between there.it was in the sand. thats all ive ridden so far.

YZFrider26
July 19th, 2004, 07:10 PM
my biggest jump was 100ft table top, my biggest crash was probally around 50 or 60ft at the desert on a natural hit.

STITCH
July 21st, 2004, 09:32 AM
biggest gap:125 ft table top
biggest gap with crash: overjumped a 90ft tabletop that was built out of a hill, so i landed flat on the bottom of the other side of the hill, which was about 40 ft high

bike:yz 85

MXgraham044
July 21st, 2004, 01:29 PM
biggest gap:80foot double
biggest crash: same jump the second time i tried it, came up a little short and got thrown over the bars.

bike:my old rm80